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But I think it's rarely the case in tulpa community compared to children with imaginary companions

but since then, she's with me almost 99% of the time

11:27 PM

even in my dreams

I don't see why it would disqualify her from being a tulpa

so, i also came here to seek advice on her

11:28 PM

what happens when i can't bring her someplace? since we're so heavily used to having her around to project her, what about like... when i'm at work or something? what do i do then?

You have to realize that she is in your head anyway and you don't need a plushie to talk with her

that's incredibly difficult for me

Try to spend time fantasizing about her without a plushie.

so in a way, i ended up handicapping myself anyway

11:30 PM

errrr

11:30 PM

i dont feel like that's appropriate.

why not?

it just isn't.

it is, though.

just because she is a part of "me", does not mean i get to play around with her as i see fit

11:31 PM

to do so i feel would be a violation of our agreement

You could ask her

that's not appropriate

Why?

wouldn't that answer "really" be coming from myself anyway?

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11:33 PM

i have very complicated feelings about all this

If you don't believe your tulpa has the agency to form it's own answer to a question, why do you care about breaking the agreement?

it's not about whether she has agency

imagining her as not a plushie isn't breaking any "agreement"

11:34 PM

and if you don't feel asking her things is "appropriate" then you're never going to accomplish anything

yes, that's the dilemna we came to last night

11:35 PM

i just don't know

why don't you try to explain your "complicated feelings".

i didn't think coming into this it would be so complicated

11:36 PM

well, i'll try

it's deceptively simple, actually.

11:36 PM

Treat them as you would want to be treated. Treat them as a person.

There may be a fundamental disagreement on what a tulpa actually is.

11:50 PM

What I was trying to say is that you're not really being consistent.

11:51 PM

You say that you have an agreement with her, but it's pointless to ask her questions because any answer would just be "your" answer, not hers.

11:51 PM

But those two statements conflict, because if she's unable to give an independent answer, she also necessarily cannot willingly accept or decline an agreement. (edited)

11:52 PM

A tulpa is a person, just like you. They can make choices. They can answer questions.

11:52 PM

And talking to your tulpa [even without the plush] isn't "playing around with them." Tulpas exist in the same body as you. That is their nature. (edited)

11:52 PM

If a plush is a useful tool for you, I highly encourage you to use it. But you should both understand that the plush is not her origin.

that has been hard for me to accept

12:57 AM

but thank you for helping me come to terms with that

I am always willing to share my experience or limited advice, here or in PMs. Feel free to ask me anything.

hello people and others

tulpas are people too~

.3. definitely

Fantasizing about your tulpa you can start to feel that they act on their own eventually.

Most people is not all people, it can take years

1:19 PM

That said, what exactly are you doing when you force?

1:19 PM

And you say you are controlling them, in what sense and with what goal are you doing so?

Some people might have better predispositions I guess.

Taking control of your tulpa is a surefire way to build up an association in your head with their manner of thinking, of having them in mind, and the fact that you are the one acting.

1:20 PM

What your goal should be is to be building up an association the other way, that when your tulpas are in mind you are NOT the one speaking or acting

Young tulpas probably are imaginary friends and nothing more tbh. But a lot of us feel them having independent agency quite fast.

1:21 PM

Do you only talk to them? What about fantasizing about their acting in different situations, showing them affection?

1:23 PM

So they have some forms at least?

I feel that you should stop making them speak or move around the room.

1:26 PM

Unless your goal at the moment is to only build up their personality and not to leave them feeling as if they are independent.

1:27 PM

Force, imagine things they would say, but only as you are speaking. Like, say to yourself "If X was in this situation what would they do?"

1:28 PM

Then spend time focusing on the fact that they are present and listening to them, ask them easy questions that you probably already know the answers to

1:28 PM

eventually, your head starts to fill in the gaps a bit, and you get the first response that you didn't really choose to speak, but still kinda sorta sounds like you

1:28 PM

then from there you keep going, those responses get more common, build up to a stronger association, and things snowball the more you practice

1:28 PM

That is my understanding of the best path to vocality, at least.

You know, it's not like we have well tested methods that work for everyone. But if you ask me for advice, I'd try to focus on their feelings a little. Develop a bond with them.

but it says most people are able to create their tulpas in 2 weeks maximum no way, noooo way! recently a lot of people have been saying like 2 weeks but over the last few years 2 weeks has been considered really fast

3:04 PM

absolutely not a "maximum", there is no maximum (... unfortunately)

could be over a year tbh

Two weeks could be average, but it's in no way the max

4:41 PM

The average is in no way indicative of what your own experiences should be like, anyway

Creating a tulpa in 2 weeks? ah lol :^)

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8:23 PM

Maybe creating the shell of a tulpa, but at that stage its more of an imaginary friend than a tulpa, i mean lets get real :\

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8:23 PM

Minimum 1 month for a nice sentient being

8:23 PM

Even there im being generous

I wouldn't be so quick to assign minimums like that

I wouldn't be so quick to say 2 weeks

it took me a year or so to get to this point

Although that largely stems from me having somewhat unconventional views of tulpamancy, where I don't see even the most advanced tulpamancers as having "developed tulpa that think independently".

then again I didn't have access to guides or anything

Most people who say they do it in 2 weeks they come back a year after on the IRCs after they had their ego shattered for a few seconds and realised what they had was not that sentient and they panicked.

A few people have, but I would assume the vast majority simply leave and never come back having never made any serious progress.

that sounds sad. >:

I never made serious progress because of my lazyness, but I learned from other people's failure and will only ever try again when im 100% sure I can pull trough in one go

It is somewhat sad, although there's a lot worse. No outcome is better than bad outcome from trying to make a tulpa.

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its been 3 years since my first attempt

8:29 PM

Lets see it this way: Tulpamancy is about tricking the brain into thinking theres somebody else there when theres not.

8:30 PM

The smarter you are the more difficult this can get

a bad outcome?

In tulpamancy? yes.

what is that like?

I neared that a few weeks ago

8:31 PM

Story is a bit complex but here goes:

8:32 PM

Im lactose intolerant and I can't have wheat, this is because of my IBS (irritable bowel syndrome)

8:32 PM

My sympthoms are very mental sometimes, ranging from paranoia to anxiety to intense Deja vue (caused by anxiety)

8:33 PM

So here I am sitting at the computer when I wild thought from my dumb subconscious comes along

8:33 PM

"I've negliged this tulpa for 3 years maybe I should get Rid of it, is it even a tulpa?"

8:34 PM

To which my dear beloved tulpa replied with a violent and arguable sentient NO

8:34 PM

But my anxiety kicked in at the same moment and I believed it was my tulpa getting mad at me.

8:35 PM

and the paranoia kicked in and here I was sitting at my throne that is my computer, thinking I was gonna go mad from my tulpa getting mad at me and over taking me.